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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Iamnotamod on May 16, 2012, 07:00 pm
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Somebody mark the time.
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Something's not right, i'll give you that.
May 1st dispatch. UK based.
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Rouge as in I spoke to him yesterday?
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I have an order in with him that I've been waiting on for a week, but I personally have no reason to doubt that it will show. I'm international (US) and he didn't ask me to FE. Decent sized order too. Comm's have been excellent so far, and his recent feedback on his vendor page is not filled with FE requests. All of his recent feedback on his vendor page except for one order to AUS was delivered and the feedback is great, product and delivery time as well. The one order that didn't get through based on his feedback page was issued a partial refund.
I just got burned by Noriega, and so I'm on high alert, but this doesn't seem like scammer behavior to me personally based on the previous patterns I've seen. Just sharing my experience and viewpoint here. We should always be skeptical, but lets just give the man some time to respond. He's only been offline for a day or two.
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Exactly - people are freaking out for no reason. Give MIN a chance to speak. He is probably traveling for a re-up or something. Like I've said in every other post bashing him, he isn't new to this, doing it before SR, and as far as I know has never fucked anyone. Everyone has bad weeks, this is probably just his. Don't freak the fuck out, just chill a bit.
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I'm in a (9 day, U.S.) holding pattern for a small amount as well, but feel confident that it will come through.
I'm not interested in throwing gas on a fire, just sharing so we can gain perspective. Hope he is OK.
Escrow is our friend.
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I had no show from him recently, he refunded me 20% as the transaction was in escrow. His communication was good the whole time so it could have been caught up by customs lets see if anyone else has had the same experience.....
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USPS is shit lately guys.
I got an express package in 4 days from one state away.
So hold the scam slinging till there are at least half a handful of outrageously equally dissatisfied members.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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I had no show from him recently, he refunded me 20% as the transaction was in escrow. His communication was good the whole time so it could have been caught up by customs lets see if anyone else has had the same experience.....
wtf
why would you accept 20%?
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USPS is shit lately guys.
I got an express package in 4 days from one state away.
So hold the scam slinging till there are at least half a handful of outrageously equally dissatisfied members.
:)
nomad bloodbath
Hi.
There are a load more in the ' cocaine vendor ' thread from US, UK and OZ.
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Hi.
There are a load more in the ' cocaine vendor ' thread from US, UK and OZ.
He also has Canadian orders also missing, and he's IN Canada, no customs involved. The coke vendor thread is starting to get pretty heavy with evidence.
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I am one in the states about to seek a refund from escrow/Min. It's been 17 days. He is not showing signs of scamming but his last pm said he is having postal delay troubles. Not sure what that means but I hope he pulls through. Does that mean every package he sent has tracking that shows it is being held up? Or just a delay tactic? Also not sure how many more times I can look at a empty mailbox. Come back to us Min.
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I am one in the states about to seek a refund from escrow/Min. It's been 17 days. He is not showing signs of scamming but his last pm said he is having postal delay troubles. Not sure what that means but I hope he pulls through. Does that mean every package he sent has tracking that shows it is being held up? Or just a delay tactic? Also not sure how many more times I can look at a empty mailbox. Come back to us Min.
don't worry I'm sure he'll offer you a 20% refund!!
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LOL @ 20% refund. It is obvious something is up. Malicious or not. It will be 100%.
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ive got an order for 1g with him...usually he sends the tracking # but said there was delays in tracking right now and didnt send it yet which isnt normal for him...hope everything is ok...
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Ok well if everyone stayed in escrow and paid with btc's SR will sort it out.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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2-3 days of inaction does not negate months of impeccable service. There's an ingredient missing from this being a likely vendor turned scam: There was no carrot to keep the suckers pumping btc into his account before he went awol. He hasn't been logged in in a couple days, so he hasn't made any moves with escrow in that time either.
Keepin' the faith.
CC
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2-3 days of inaction does not negate months of impeccable service. There's an ingredient missing from this being a likely vendor turned scam: There was no carrot to keep the suckers pumping btc into his account before he went awol. He hasn't been logged in in a couple days, so he hasn't made any moves with escrow in that time either.
Keepin' the faith.
CC
I hope nothing has arrived to him, he is my favorite vendor for coke :'(
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Somebody mark the time.
You are "notamod", but YouAreDefinitelyATool. I'm bummed that he doesn't have any listings right now, but given the volume of business he transacts, it's not surprising that MIN would take a brief to respite to sort out the mail and escrowed btc. If he declared a massive inventory markdown for 50% off if you FE, I'd agree with your assessment. I don't see him luring anyone into forking over btc sans escrow, unless that customer chooses to do so. But that's more of a rogue customer than a con-artist vendor.
Most scams are carried on the back of pressure to close ASAP, alleging that you'll miss out on a great opportunity if you don't act now. The 4/20 sale and the feel the love sale were good examples. I don't see MIN making a public push to do the same. That's a key differentiator.
I actually got some cola from HybridMike before he self-destructed. Some of the best shit I've ever had. I don't miss that vendor, but I do miss his product. MIN, re-up, clear your escrow, and start selling again ASAP! The nose craves your righteous powder.
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I hope MIN is just re-upping or something, he always seemed a good guy to me and I loved his gear too!
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I had no show from him recently, he refunded me 20% as the transaction was in escrow. His communication was good the whole time so it could have been caught up by customs lets see if anyone else has had the same experience.....
wtf
why would you accept 20%?
Why, cause it was only a very small 'sample' order so hardly any coins involved and he mentions in his profile about the conditions to sending to my country. SR would have given me 50% if it went to resolution and we talking a few bitcoins...
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He hasn't been logged in for 3 days and yet ' someone ' has removed his 2 listings that were there this morning.
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These threads are so pointless, ironically just as pointless as me telling you this.
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i seriously doubt that MiN has "gone rogue"...there was nothing leading up to this instance where he was making everyone FE and no big sale to attract more custs.
i currently have an order with him that he assured me would be sent out mon morn but is still processing and he has not been on since. my btc are still in escrow and he didnt even ask me to FE, which is another reason i dont believe he turned scammer. i am starting to wonder what happened now though.
i hope he is still out of town restocking, but i am beginning to lean towards him being nabbed. i found some articles about some drug busts in his city (large city though), over the last few days, where cocaine was involved...fingers are crossed that he is not one of them.
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His Coke was shit anyway, I am not even sure there was any real cocaine in my 3.5 G order, probably just a bunch of Novocaine. I never understood why everybody liked his product so much. It was practically "TheStores" coke, re-cut, re-packaged, and re-sold
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USPS is shit lately guys.
I got an express package in 4 days from one state away.
So hold the scam slinging till there are at least half a handful of outrageously equally dissatisfied members.
:)
nomad bloodbath
Nomad has a point.
I miss when all of my domestic packages came in 2-3 days. :'(
You'd think SR orders would be boosting their revenue a little bit! :P
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There are some people that got product shipped with tracking and the tracking shows the packages being logged in at the post office. They don't go further than that, so it appears something is happening with Canada Post at the Canada end.
Let's get something straight - if MIN was a scammer, his listings would be up and he'd be trying to get everyone to FE based on his rep, which is exactly what CFMF did.
Instead, we have someone who is communicating and has taken his listings down.
Sorry but that doesn't seem like scamming. Its more like MINs run into a spot of bother and just needs some time.
Grey
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I'm really worried about what's happened to MIN. 4 days ago he messaged me stating that he had just stocked up, the gear was a little more expensive than usual but supposedly really nice coke. He told me that he wanted to try the coke out for himself before listing it on SR and that he would message me when the listings were up. Haven't heard a thing since! He hasn't been on here now for 3 days which is not like MIN. Hope he is Ok and everything is alright. Fingers crossed.
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Just wanted to add, MIN IS NOT A SCAMMER!!! I have had many successful international transactions with MIN. I'm starting to think he may have been busted as he had just stocked up.
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Just wanted to add, MIN IS NOT A SCAMMER!!! I have had many successful international transactions with MIN. I'm starting to think he may have been busted as he had just stocked up.
I'm waiting almost 5 weeks for an order now - nothing has arrived (2 small packages). MIN has at least been communicating up until recently... I sent a message three days ago but have not yet heard anything back (and the message hasn't been read) - my last contact was therefore 8 days ago.
Not sure what is happening. I know for certain that there are massive mail delays at the moment, but not for all packages. I received a business letter from Canada (not SR related) in 6 business days, but then i'm also in the 5th week of waiting for 2x packages from NL. I had two legitimate packages (music CD, corporate promo flat mail) turn up from NL in 14 calendar and 30 calendar days respectively so i can say for certain there are delays all over the world. A brief discussion with the local postal service confirmed this, even though there were no official delay notices other than at Chicago IL due to new sorting/computer system installation and also some kind of security crackdown in the local area for UN/WTO or somesuch.
I will give it another week or so... after that i am giving up hope.
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moveitnice
has been a member for 10 months
was last seen: 3 days ago
has 98.7% positive feedback
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Hi All
In a hope to calm the paranoia. MIN is all good. There is currently a mass shortage of his product in his area and rather than just supply any old shit, he has ventured off in pursuit of his infamous snow that he is proud to put his name on it. I have delt with MIN for a long time even before I became a vendor.
Have faith girls and guys he has never done the wrong thing by the community, and he is not about to start now.
Cheers
MIA
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Ah sweet as! I'm sure a lot of people will stop stressing now :)
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Hi All
In a hope to calm the paranoia. MIN is all good. There is currently a mass shortage of his product in his area and rather than just supply any old shit, he has ventured off in pursuit of his infamous snow that he is proud to put his name on it. I have delt with MIN for a long time even before I became a vendor.
Have faith girls and guys he has never done the wrong thing by the community, and he is not about to start now.
Cheers
MIA
MIA?
LOL
MIA indeed
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i hope nothing bad happened to MIN. he´s a great guy and a great seller.
most of people on SR trust in MIN, and sure that he´s soon here again, let´s give him some more time and don´t be paranoid guys. i´m waiting and order from him too.
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i hope nothing bad happened to MIN. he´s a great guy and a great seller.
most of people on SR trust in MIN, and sure that he´s soon here again, let´s give him some more time and don´t be paranoid guys. i´m waiting and order from him too.
+1
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MiN is the best vendor I have dealt with in my time here on the SR, I don't doubt he will be back with his superior product shortly.
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Hi All
In a hope to calm the paranoia. MIN is all good. There is currently a mass shortage of his product in his area and rather than just supply any old shit, he has ventured off in pursuit of his infamous snow that he is proud to put his name on it. I have delt with MIN for a long time even before I became a vendor.
Have faith girls and guys he has never done the wrong thing by the community, and he is not about to start now.
Cheers
MIA
I dont think the worry is that MiN turned scammer, it's that he may have been nabbed. i hope you're right though aussie, and that he gets back soon
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Ok well if everyone stayed in escrow and paid with btc's SR will sort it out.
:)
nomad bloodbath
Lol....you know some wont have though Nomad.....
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Can someone PM me the link please ?
I tried my best at the world's favourite search engine but that was inconclusive.
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removed my post with link...
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I must say that USPS is unusually slow and is in fact on par with the notorious lame service provided by Canada Post. It took 5 days (and $28. dollar postage) for me to receive a package from the U.S. to get here a few days ago.
But after seeing what punk ass bitch's and 'trusted' vendors like Tony and most recently VortexMilkMan (just did today)...I am finding it increasingly difficult to have complete faith in any vendor.
Needless to say I have been ripped off far more by street dealers than I ever have here... so I ain't going nowhere.
For those anxiously waiting: I hope MIN pulls through for ya.
"Drug misuse is not a disease it's a decision:
like the decision to stand in front of a moving car."
Phillip K.Dick
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My package arrived today from MIN, 1 gram.
So at the very least it seems to be mail problems for some people, as I don't think he's scamming if he's actually sending some packages...
I just hope all the 'MIN's been busted' stuff is all nonsense and that he's just out of town or whatever, as MIA says, and I know that the two are linked anyway.
Here's hoping I guess, I hope the rest of you missing orders eventually get them through :)
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So stuff is still getting through ? I am confused.
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My package arrived today from MIN, 1 gram.
So at the very least it seems to be mail problems for some people, as I don't think he's scamming if he's actually sending some packages...
I just hope all the 'MIN's been busted' stuff is all nonsense and that he's just out of town or whatever, as MIA says, and I know that the two are linked anyway.
Here's hoping I guess, I hope the rest of you missing orders eventually get them through :)
Do you mind telling us when you ordered?
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Just last Wednesday, posted on Thurs, took about a week or so to arrive her in the UK (well, 9 days).
Hope that helps
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Just last Wednesday, posted on Thurs, took about a week or so to arrive her in the UK (well, 9 days).
Hope that helps
Ok, thanks. My order was shipped on the 7th and hasn't arrived.
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That sucks. Though from what I've read, if the horror stories are right and that story of a guy getting bust is MIN, then they intercepted a lot of his stuff, too.
Where are you, geographically? Maybe some places had it worse than others.
I hope all this turns out to be a big misunderstanding or something, and it would be cool of MIA could update on his knowledge of MIN, seeing as they appear to have a real world connection.
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Ok guys. I'm pretty sure I have proof that MIN was arrested. Refer to this link.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Family+four+faces+drug+charges+international+cocaine+case/6645448/story.html
The name VmFoaWRlaCBIb3NzYWluIFphZGVoLURhcmlhbg==. ...WU to MIN...
Linemup
If the dude was taking WU, then that's the most likely explanation for how he got busted. I never did business with him outside the confines of SR, but I heard rumblings that he was amenable to such arrangements. If that's the case, then anyone who used PayPal or WU to send him funds is likely up shit creek without a paddle. I'm pretty sure an O is grounds enough to charge with intent to distribute. Maybe MIN got too sloppy toward the end. It's always follow the money.
UPDATE: Which dickhead demanded linemup's above quoted post be removed? It's public knowledge at this point (as various news outlets are already carrying the story) and if anyone HAS done business with MIN outside of SR, he has a right to know the likelihood of getting a LEO visit. I'll gladly remove my post provided someone can give me a rational explanation. "They can use these posts as proof" is not a valid explanation. There's no way to authenticate them. And the SR message boards are like a fucking toilet stall. Any bored asshole can write whatever the hell he wants to on it.
The Prisoner's Dilemma states that collaboration is dominated by betrayal. A man is incentivized to lower his exposure to prison time, therefore the greatest payoff is always obtained by betraying the other party. Absent other information, we need to assume this holds true in MIN's case and there's a likelihood he could give up part of SR. Having the community discuss this and analyze it as a means of finding flaws in vendor practices is a useful thing.
UPDATE 2: Edited to remove the names of the guilty party and to tell Kingpinirl to get a fucking grip.
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If the dude was taking WU, then that's the most likely explanation for how he got busted. I never did business with him outside the confines of SR, but I heard rumblings that he was amenable to such arrangements. If that's the case, then anyone who used PayPal or WU to send him funds is likely up shit creek without a paddle. I'm pretty sure an O is grounds enough to charge with intent to distribute. Maybe MIN got too sloppy toward the end. It's always follow the money.
MIN was selling almost exclusively through WU until DPR banned the practice some months ago.
@linemup: That's pretty conclusive. But you'd be wise to remove (or at least edit) your post. It may be used as evidence against you both.
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If the dude was taking WU, then that's the most likely explanation for how he got busted. I never did business with him outside the confines of SR, but I heard rumblings that he was amenable to such arrangements. If that's the case, then anyone who used PayPal or WU to send him funds is likely up shit creek without a paddle. I'm pretty sure an O is grounds enough to charge with intent to distribute. Maybe MIN got too sloppy toward the end. It's always follow the money.
MIN was selling almost exclusively through WU until DPR banned the practice some months ago.
@linemup: That's pretty conclusive. But you'd be wise to remove (or at least edit) your post. It may be used as evidence against you both.
I agree the WU image is pretty convincing, so I'd ditch that thing ASAP. But there's no way to authenticate ANY of this speculation. These posts cannot be used as proof because there is simply no way to authenticate them. Prosecutors can't introduce evidence obtained on the bathroom will. How do you prove who really wrote it? Do you have an IP address? A real name? No and no if you're using Tor and smart enough not to use any aliases that can be searched on the Internet IRL.
Kingpinirl is doing a great disservice to SR buyers by trying to sweep this all under the rug. How does a community defend itself if they don't discuss weaknesses? We need to assess the damage and minimize the fallout for MIN's customers. Deleting posts and prohibiting open and honest discussion with care toward maintaining anonymity is an excellent way to fuel paranoia.
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MIN was selling almost exclusively through WU until DPR banned the practice some months ago.
@linemup: That's pretty conclusive. But you'd be wise to remove (or at least edit) your post. It may be used as evidence against you both.
I agree the WU image is pretty convincing, so I'd ditch that thing ASAP. But there's no way to authenticate ANY of this speculation. These posts cannot be used as proof because there is simply no way to authenticate them. Prosecutors can't introduce evidence obtained on the bathroom will. How do you prove who really wrote it? Do you have an IP address? A real name? No and no if you're using Tor and smart enough not to use any aliases that can be searched on the Internet IRL.
Kingpinirl is doing a great disservice to SR buyers by trying to sweep this all under the rug. How does a community defend itself if they don't discuss weaknesses? We need to assess the damage and minimize the fallout for MIN's customers. Deleting posts and prohibiting open and honest discussion with care toward maintaining anonymity is an excellent way to fuel paranoia.
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I agree. people need to know what's already out there in the public domain... ie: news outlets blasting this "bust" all over the news, social media, their websites, and the news at 5pm, on channel 11.. or whatever channel..
if people on the forums, were long time customers of MIN, and had quite a few dealing's with him, then this information should be made suitable for posting, so at least those people can do what they need to do, clean house, leave town, whatever...
we are so open about our use of these drugs on the site, yet when it comes time to update the community about a vendor getting popped, why is there reason to bury it or for it to be suppressed?
if anyone knows anything about "google" knows, they keep what info you search for, where you are when you are searching for it, and how many times you did it.. hence why there's TOR, and other search engines that dont keep "your" information...
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I agree. people need to know what's already out there in the public domain... ie: news outlets blasting this "bust" all over the news, social media, their websites, and the news at 5pm, on channel 11.. or whatever channel..
if people on the forums, were long time customers of MIN, and had quite a few dealing's with him, then this information should be made suitable for posting, so at least those people can do what they need to do, clean house, leave town, whatever...
we are so open about our use of these drugs on the site, yet when it comes time to update the community about a vendor getting popped, why is there reason to bury it or for it to be suppressed?
if anyone knows anything about "google" knows, they keep what info you search for, where you are when you are searching for it, and how many times you did it.. hence why there's TOR, and other search engines that dont keep "your" information...
Yep. This vehement opposition to discussing the consequences of SR commerce reeks like a vagina full of week-old fish. I sometimes get the impression that SR mods are far more interested in protecting the image of SR rather than giving a shit about the participants in its economy. Operation MINimize is a PR campaign designed to ensure people don't get spooked and cost SR commissions. My suspicions are that they're less afraid of LE (you motherfuckers can go fuck yourselves -- I know you're reading you pieces of shit) than they are a magazine or blog connecting MIN's bust to SR, creating an indelible impression that SR isn't as safe as the admins tout it to be. Like Monsanto going ape shit when people want their genetically altered organisms labelled.
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How does a community defend itself if they don't discuss weaknesses? We need to assess the damage and minimize the fallout for MIN's customers. Deleting posts and prohibiting open and honest discussion with care toward maintaining anonymity is an excellent way to fuel paranoia.
yes yes yes.
Exactly.
I was looking at that news story and was curious if it was SR related (I was wondering why the warrant was issued), was going to post it, searched, and found this.
This community learns from each and every arrest. It would be ideal to get every possible scrap of data on any SR-related case, every complaint / warrant / exhibit and relevant transcript, amicus brief, etc.
Does the Crown post its filings online in Ottawa? If someone checks the complaints, they may name SR.
This case has made a big enough splash that it will be fairly well-covered.
[side note: Not to up the paranoia ante, but I also note that the media consistently doesn't cover SR or other internet sales in cases that we *know* are related. Could be that LEO is minimizing that awkward situation or saying "don't give people ideas..." but that isn't likely to succeed consistently with the rare surviving print journalist who is allowed to go beyond press release recycling. In post-call sleep-deprived paranoid fits, I sometimes think it's an attempt to keep information on investigation/indictment of online drug vending operations from being readily searched and discussed.
Seriously, it makes no sense, because SR and Scary Internet Drugs!!1!! are media-sexy, not the usual "another fill-in-the-blanks" story.]
Whether the family are MiN or not, this is a very sad story.
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I've deleted my post. I'm in the process of destroying all evidence, destroying hard drives (literally) I'm off to a mates place for a few days. I'm fucking paranoid as. No wonder I haven't been receiving anything. I'll be able to reply. But not for a few hours now. Thanks all.
FYI, if you're really that worried, I'd edit this post to avoid the reference to "destroying evidence." That's the crime that killed Arthur Anderson. Usually it isn't the commission of a crime that's the problem. It's the coverup, especially if you're acting out of paranoia. Your body language changes, you do shit that catches people's attention. When you're out behind your house at 3AM, smashing hard drives with a sledge hammer, neighbors notice shit like that. If your packages never made it to your country, they were probably intercepted before leaving Canada, meaning your country probably doesn't give a shit.
Take a Xannie. Have a drink. It'll blow over. The powers that be got their bogey man. So relax and start programming your brain to believe that none of this transpired.
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MIN profile, feedback, listings and info all removed last night. When you click his username it takes you to his messages page. Looks like he/she is gone.
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MIN was on here for almost 11 months and built up such a stellar reputation.. Sadly, I can't see any other conclusion other than he was busted based on what we know. As Petrochlaor said, can MIA come out and reaffirm that MIN is OK if that's indeed the case? I know he previously down played any speculation of a bust however MIN's recent activity is just not like him and doesn't make any sense. For me, it's too coincidental that after building up a business for almost a year and being on this site daily servicing his customers that he now hasn't been heard from for almost a week and his homepage has been taken down. I really, really hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me otherwise. A sad time for our community.
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he has never done the wrong thing by the community, and he is not about to start now.
Agreed. I'd sooner stand up, post my photo, address and ID on this board to offer refunds than believe MIN would screw someone over.
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Frankly, if anything, this whole situation proves that there can be dealers that always do the right thing.
TV is one of those, I just hope he's OK too.
MIN kept his communication going to us all until he was compromised. He never lied. He always did the right thing.
The community can learn from this.
I suspect if MIN never used WU, he / and his family would be in a better position right now. Let's learn from this. Hope the best for MIN (and his family) and move on. I mean this in the most sensitive and respectful of statements.
Grey
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Can someone PM me the censored link?
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Can someone PM me the censored link?
Can't do that because it's not mine to hand out and it's not public information. It's a photo of a WU money order made out to an individual named in the indictment of the Canadian family in the news. I used Google Street View to track down the destination address from said photo (which was not in itself completely correct). There's a news clip online with a reporter standing in front of the house of the accused. It wasn't hard to find a convincing connection.
I'm in mourning. Speechless. Angry. It's a huge loss for us all. If I could help the dude and his family out, I would. Regardless of the dickheads screaming scammer, scammer, scammer, that man is still one of the few honorable and decent among us.
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Can someone PM me the censored link?
Can't do that because it's not mine to hand out and it's not public information. It's a photo of a WU money order made out to an individual named in the indictment of the Canadian family in the news. I used Google Street View to track down the destination address from said photo (which was not in itself completely correct). There's a news clip online with a reporter standing in front of the house of the accused. It wasn't hard to find a convincing connection.
I'm in mourning. Speechless. Angry. It's a huge loss for us all. If I could help the dude and his family out, I would. Regardless of the dickheads screaming scammer, scammer, scammer, that man is still one of the few honorable and decent among us.
So true. I couldn't agree more.
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I'm in mourning. Speechless. Angry. It's a huge loss for us all. If I could help the dude and his family out, I would. Regardless of the dickheads screaming scammer, scammer, scammer, that man is still one of the few honorable and decent among us.
I agree as well, he was first guy I dealt with here on road and was my goto guy, feels like I lost a good "brother".. he and his family definately in my thoughts.
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Oh holy fuck cranked that was some serious PI shit!!
I retract my earlier statement asking for the censored link.
I thought it was to a news story that "might" have been MiN. Didn't realize how in depth you'd gotten!
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I share the sadness. I feel like we lost a fellow patriot. Id help if there was any way to do so. Im waiting to see updated details, and would love to throw some bills towards a legal defense fund.
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Whilst I don't want to see anyone caught the fact that his family was part of it is a disgrace. This is man's work. Work and family are kept separate and that's how it should always be.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have quite strong feelings on this.
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Damn sorry to hear that MIN may not have gotten into some trouble.....
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Whilst I don't want to see anyone caught the fact that his family was part of it is a disgrace. This is man's work. Work and family are kept separate and that's how it should always be.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have quite strong feelings on this.
I agree completely. Except that in this case, his wife was charged with the bulk of the crimes and apparently their two adult children were helping run the operation. At least that's what the papers say. His bail was less than his wife's.
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Whilst I don't want to see anyone caught the fact that his family was part of it is a disgrace. This is man's work. Work and family are kept separate and that's how it should always be.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have quite strong feelings on this.
I agree completely. Except that in this case, his wife was charged with the bulk of the crimes and apparently their two adult children were helping run the operation. At least that's what the papers say. His bail was less than his wife's.
Yeah even so his wife should not have had anything to do with the business. If you have a family it's no place for the mother of your children or your children. Women dealing in general I sit on the fence about but mothers and kids, it's a disgrace. If I had kids and I'm still doing this (I want to retire after I get to a certain point and ideally this would be before I have children) my wife/kids would never see anything or have anything to do with it.
This is drug dealing and it's not a family business. Anyone who allows their wife and kids to do it should be put the fuck down IMO. It's a disgrace.
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Ugh, from one new story
"They also said they seized 220 grams of the drug en route to other countries.
It's alleged they exported to India, Russia, Australia as well as the United States and several European countries. "
Be fucking careful y'all...
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Whilst I don't want to see anyone caught the fact that his family was part of it is a disgrace. This is man's work. Work and family are kept separate and that's how it should always be.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have quite strong feelings on this.
I agree completely. Except that in this case, his wife was charged with the bulk of the crimes and apparently their two adult children were helping run the operation. At least that's what the papers say. His bail was less than his wife's.
Yeah even so his wife should not have had anything to do with the business. If you have a family it's no place for the mother of your children or your children. Women dealing in general I sit on the fence about but mothers and kids, it's a disgrace. If I had kids and I'm still doing this (I want to retire after I get to a certain point and ideally this would be before I have children) my wife/kids would never see anything or have anything to do with it.
This is drug dealing and it's not a family business. Anyone who allows their wife and kids to do it should be put the fuck down IMO. It's a disgrace.
You do know probably the biggest vendor in the history of the online scene was a woman, right?
Wake up dude it's 2012. How men and women organize their private family affairs is none of your fucking business.
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Whilst I don't want to see anyone caught the fact that his family was part of it is a disgrace. This is man's work. Work and family are kept separate and that's how it should always be.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I have quite strong feelings on this.
I agree completely. Except that in this case, his wife was charged with the bulk of the crimes and apparently their two adult children were helping run the operation. At least that's what the papers say. His bail was less than his wife's.
Yeah even so his wife should not have had anything to do with the business. If you have a family it's no place for the mother of your children or your children. Women dealing in general I sit on the fence about but mothers and kids, it's a disgrace. If I had kids and I'm still doing this (I want to retire after I get to a certain point and ideally this would be before I have children) my wife/kids would never see anything or have anything to do with it.
This is drug dealing and it's not a family business. Anyone who allows their wife and kids to do it should be put the fuck down IMO. It's a disgrace.
You do know probably the biggest vendor in the history of the online scene was a woman, right?
Wake up dude it's 2012. How men and women organize their private family affairs is none of your fucking business.
If you mean Umbrella then yeah I know. And if you took 2 minutes and read back what I said instead of nutshelling it you'd have read that that wasn't my point. So why don't you read the context before telling me what I can and can't pass opinions about, yeah? Glad we have that straightened out.
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I read it plenty
You are 'on the fence' about whether women should be 'allowed' to deal drugs?
So I guess you're on the fence about whether they should be allowed to vote, own property or go out of the house without a fucking veil on...
Women are free individuals. It's not up to you or anyone else to have opinions about that they should be 'allowed' to do.
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I read it plenty
You are 'on the fence' about whether women should be 'allowed' to deal drugs?
So I guess you're on the fence about whether they should be allowed to vote, own property or go out of the house without a fucking veil on...
Women are free individuals. It's not up to you or anyone else to have opinions about that they should be 'allowed' to do.
Ok so you think it's ok that the guy got his wife and kids involved in this and got his kids put in prison then yeah? I know I wouldn't want that on my hands. And bollocks to your bullshit comeback about being allowed to vote/own property or go out the house. Don't talk such shit.
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limitless you are making some big assumptions there. the news story said the father was an engineer so i assume he worked and may have had little if anything to do with the business. i could see a wife telling her husband she made an internet business with their son and it turning out the internet business was selling yay lol cool moms are cool
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limitless you are making some big assumptions there. the news story said the father was an engineer so i assume he worked and may have had little if anything to do with the business. i could see a wife telling her husband she made an internet business with their son and it turning out the internet business was selling yay lol cool moms are cool
Ok fair nuff on that point, I'll concede that. However it's still fucking dirt that they dragged their kids into it. Fucking degenerates.
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considering the daughter and father got out right away and the mother and son were kept in i assume the father and daughter had nothing to really do with it and were just arrested for being in the same house. i doubt if the fathers an engineer he would have run such a sloppy shop as to accept WU
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And bollocks to your bullshit comeback about being allowed to vote/own property or go out the house. Don't talk such shit.
Wow - that put me in my place! There's no simply no riposte to make to such dazzling intellectual acrobatics.
I'll definitely be paying YOU for legal advice...
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And bollocks to your bullshit comeback about being allowed to vote/own property or go out the house. Don't talk such shit.
Wow - that put me in my place! There's no simply no riposte to make to such dazzling intellectual acrobatics.
I'll definitely be paying YOU for legal advice...
Lol, you don't have to dance the tango to walk over shit kiddo.
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limit you seriously need to work on ignoring trolls. maybe you could set yourself a post limit so you have to really think before posting. you are such a troll target on here, anyone bored knows to just disagree with you on something and hours of fun ensues
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limit you seriously need to work on ignoring trolls. maybe you could set yourself a post limit so you have to really think before posting. you are such a troll target on here, anyone bored knows to just disagree with you on something and hours of fun ensues
Lol yeah I know, but to be fair I get just as much out of it as they do. It's sport! :P
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Ok so you think it's ok that the guy got his wife and kids involved in this and got his kids put in prison then yeah? I know I wouldn't want that on my hands. And bollocks to your bullshit comeback about being allowed to vote/own property or go out the house. Don't talk such shit.
The "kids" were 22 and 26 years old, no child labour here.
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Ok so you think it's ok that the guy got his wife and kids involved in this and got his kids put in prison then yeah? I know I wouldn't want that on my hands. And bollocks to your bullshit comeback about being allowed to vote/own property or go out the house. Don't talk such shit.
The "kids" were 22 and 26 years old, no child labour here.
So what? That's not even my point. It wouldn't even matter if their kids were 40 , it's still not right IMO and it's a bullshit way to operate.
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how about we just say we hope for the best for the seller. We are just speculating we have no idea what was what, for all we know breaking bad was based off these guys. we have no idea what was up with them. but we know we have a soldier who fell in the line of duty. And like the army i dont care how they died, they died fighting for us. they deserve some respect for that. they fell due to the failed war on drugs and a loss is a loss. RIP MIN, hope they pull some entrapment crap and get let off and sue the governement while they are at is. fuck the police.
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how about we just say we hope for the best for the seller. We are just speculating we have no idea what was what, for all we know breaking bad was based off these guys. we have no idea what was up with them. but we know we have a soldier who fell in the line of duty. And like the army i dont care how they died, they died fighting for us. they deserve some respect for that. they fell due to the failed war on drugs and a loss is a loss. RIP MIN, hope they pull some entrapment crap and get let off and sue the governement while they are at is. fuck the police.
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
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I'm locking this thread because I've had about 8 reports now where I've had to come and edit or remove posts because people keep putting incriminating posts about these people and it's just becoming a pain in the arse to deal with.
Locked.
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i requested this thread get unlocked as i think its an important thread. If we lost a large seller due to western union people really need to know. please dont go posting anything incriminating about the person. i mostly just want everyone to know the dangers of using anything but bitcoins.
this thread has been bugging me for like a week because it just seemed to fall through the cracks and if we lost a big seller to the cops its a first for silk road as far as i know. people need to know, also anyone who had an order in with this vendor recently needs to clean house as they are very possibly compromised
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^agreed, someone who wasn't on the forums for like 48 hrs never would've even heard about this and some people may need to be doing some spring cleaning if they were heavily involved w/MiN
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as far as i know hes the only big dealer to ever get busted on sr, dont know why no one has given the slighted shit. people freak out over tiny things and we actually have a big seller go down and nada. maybe need to make a seperate thread about it.
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yeah, I guess maybe because no one is sure if that bust was actually MiN or not...but sure seems like it was based on the products and amounts intercepted. moveitaussie and a few others claimed to be in contact w/them still, was that all bullshit?? is the standard procedure to STFU about a seller who may have been compromised to limit their exposure? I don't know, but it's fubar and I feel for those people going away for a long long time.
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yes itwas verified it was min who got busted...there is no doubt!
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limitless you are making some big assumptions there. the news story said the father was an engineer so i assume he worked and may have had little if anything to do with the business. i could see a wife telling her husband she made an internet business with their son and it turning out the internet business was selling yay lol cool moms are cool
Ok fair nuff on that point, I'll concede that. However it's still fucking dirt that they dragged their kids into it. Fucking degenerates.
You're still making some assumptions here. In fact, I would tend to think quite the opposite, as I doubt this 47 year old mother would be savvy enough with both drugs and deep web to find and establish a presence on SR. Here's what I think is more likely to have happened.
The young, 22 year-old boy, curious about something he read about, stumbles upon SR. He has coke connections, and he's already fairly comfortable with his family & coke (knows his sister did/does it and mom did/does it). He then would be the one to introduce it to his mom, who he knows is drug-friendly. Brothers and Sisters talk about everything, and it'd be easy for the sister to learn of SR as well. There are numerous motivations for making money, so it's pretty feasible that if they thought they could pull it off they even could have come up with it together, however it's my suspicion that the kids were more ambitious to get started than the mom. The only reason I picked the Son to be the initial is because the article says "Mother and Son" in the beginning and nothing about the daughter until later.
Also, because the mother faces the bulk of the charges, that means she was probably the one delivering the packages. In a multi-person operation, package delivery is on the low end, meaning that was probably her contribution to the project, while the Son handled the computer stuff.
It's all speculation though, and you could come up with an infinite number of scenarios that would fit. It's just not worth getting your panties in a bunch over.